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16-02-2005, 12:57 PM
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hi.. i really donno if i could post this...
this was a discussion goin on in another forum...thought 2 bring it 2
tantra..<br>
<br>
_____the moderators please ratify this piece if you deem it fit here...<tt><br>
<br>
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Hi guys <br>
i have been in this field for many years and have seen people like <br>
jadoo, UTV, DQ, crest adn many others who bring work to India in <br>
cheap rates adn make this industry look green.<br>
Our cheap rates make the whites say "WWOOOWW" and they are ready to <br>
give us this bulk chunk of work. again the quality is a question. <br>
forget about quality. think about the chances of job opportunity in <br>
the west... the local residents dont get the job even the people who <br>
intend to go to west for a job turn back after disappointment hering <br>
the giant comoany's work is being done in countries like India and <br>
China.<br>
so. whos the profitm maker in this business?? <br>
we artists, those guys in marketing for such work or the people <br>
runing studios here? and whats the pay we get?<br>
comeon lets do a little research...<br>
<br>
whats the average 2-3 years experienced 3d artist gets in US per <br>
month ? <br>
20k - 30k US$ per month thats "BIG ONE"<br>
<br>
<br>
WHtas ur income in ur stidio?<br>
10-12k for a 2-3 yes experienced "HA thats pain"<br>
<br>
<br>
Comclusion: My point is if u guys gonna work for some international <br>
project of course with keeping in mind good quality like pixar, i <br>
advise u ask good salary. lets work out a salary chart in this case<br>
<br>
wht do u say ??<br>
think about it...<br>
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Gr8 going !<br>
I must appriciate your thoughts...<br>
Let me add some NAKED facts to our sucking EDUCATION system...<br>
Tell me how many years you spent learing ARTS ? <br>
Any Insitute / School / University ?<br>
Which degree ? Expertise ? <br>
What do you think about your school ? How good was that ?<br>
Frankly speaking, I'm searing one really good institute that teach me<br>
COMPLETE - In Depth knoweldge about PARTICULAR thing, for which, I'm<br>
contacting them ! I found NOTHING...<br>
I worked with IMAGE MAC ACADEMY for 3+ yrs as Senior Faculty. They advertise<br>
like they are the only MAC PROFESSIONAL. But, let me clear one thing, they<br>
don't teach MAC, they teach only SOFTWARES available on MAC (which are<br>
avaialble for Pc too) I know, what & How much we're ORDERED to teach<br>
students. Also, sometimes, I've to teach the softwares I didn't even know,<br>
in the absence of related teacher. Anyway, this is all about personal<br>
teaching...<br>
What about JJ / Raheja / Rachna arts schools ? <br>
Recently I came across one funny incident. Student of J.J. Shool of arts,<br>
contact me for his final year's project. He needed little Technical help in<br>
case of web related query. He too is not very much happy with his 4 years of<br>
study @ JJ. According to him, they have computer lab of 20 PCs, which is<br>
always CLOSED and no instructor available for this and once in a while they<br>
open this lab for PHOTO Session, conference, seminars, etc and NOT for<br>
students practicle.<br>
Anyway, this is all about our Sucking Education system. <br>
Lets take a look into Professionalism.<br>
Say for example, I'm having 3-4 years of experience. And what you mention<br>
about salary is very much true. We people are working on sh*t only. Here, in<br>
Indian Industry, we are meant to work on QUANTITY BASIS and not for Quality.<br>
I know, it really hurts. But, try to find of fact about blockbuster movies<br>
like SHREK, Finding Nemo, Incredibles, etc etc etc.... They says, it took<br>
them 1-2 years to finalise the storyboard and then, within 6 months they<br>
came up with such mindblowing work. What about such process in India ? Early<br>
in the morning, your immediate boss comes to you and order you to complete<br>
this work by tonight. Fail to do so, you work for the whole night just to<br>
meet THEIR dead line. DO you really think, this way you can IMPROVE yourself<br>
? Will you ever learn about QUALITY in such a case ? Meantime, you are<br>
creating your demo reel of such nasty work only, which didn't meet<br>
international quality. So, don't ever compare your salary with theirs.<br>
I'm sorry for such BAD words, but, my 10+ yrs of experience taught me this<br>
only. Even after 10 yrs I'm not able to find an Interview call from abroad,<br>
neither they consider me as prospective employee. <br>
For this reason, I'm planning to join VFS - 1 year course. I know, at this<br>
stage of life, after investing 10 yrs into work, this step seems silly, but,<br>
I'm ready for this. I want to improve myself. Belive me friends, Have you<br>
ever tried to look at their STUDENT's work ??? Their work is far far far<br>
better than our professional one's !!! I'm NOT talking about some really<br>
genius guys, but, I know some people, who are good at software skills but,<br>
lack artistic sense. I FALL IN THE SAME CATEGORY. <br>
Last Saturday, I visited VFS office in Mumbai - Bandra. The meeting was<br>
little dis-appointing with the fact that, they don't provide 100% job<br>
placement. But, some of my friends / online help / guidence from Past VFS<br>
people, encourage me to join VFS and try it once. The reason behind this is,<br>
their teaching standards. According to admission advisor & VFS passouts,<br>
you've to give 14-16 hrs a day for complete year, which will give you bright<br>
future.<br>
Anyway, I'm not going to convience you to join VFS, as I'm not guy from VFS,<br>
this is just my thoughts, you better come up with your ideas / visions. Do<br>
spend some time with yourself, ask yourself, where you want to be after 5<br>
yrs, whats ur aim ? Want to work for whole life ? Want to start your own<br>
studio ? Want to work as freelancer ? Want to give something really frutiy<br>
future for upcoming students ?? Just decide and act accordingly.<br>
Sorry , for being such a logn.... But, I'm facing frustration from past<br>
few months just because of all this fact. I know, I may be out of topic<br>
somewhere, but, all I said is what I felt.<br>
:)<br>
With Best Regards<br>
---------------------------------------------------------- -------------<br>
<br>
i just wanted 2 put up the discussion here....<br>
<br>
(again.. the moderators take care coz..i donno if i could put up a piece from another forum here...)<br>
<br>
how much of it is true..????<img src="http://www.cgtantra.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif" border="0"></tt>
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hi.. i really donno if i could post this...
this was a discussion goin on in another forum...thought 2 bring it 2
tantra..<br>
<br>
_____the moderators please ratify this piece if you deem it fit here...<tt><br>
<br>
---------------------------------------------------------- ---------<br>
Hi guys <br>
i have been in this field for many years and have seen people like <br>
jadoo, UTV, DQ, crest adn many others who bring work to India in <br>
cheap rates adn make this industry look green.<br>
Our cheap rates make the whites say "WWOOOWW" and they are ready to <br>
give us this bulk chunk of work. again the quality is a question. <br>
forget about quality. think about the chances of job opportunity in <br>
the west... the local residents dont get the job even the people who <br>
intend to go to west for a job turn back after disappointment hering <br>
the giant comoany's work is being done in countries like India and <br>
China.<br>
so. whos the profitm maker in this business?? <br>
we artists, those guys in marketing for such work or the people <br>
runing studios here? and whats the pay we get?<br>
comeon lets do a little research...<br>
<br>
whats the average 2-3 years experienced 3d artist gets in US per <br>
month ? <br>
20k - 30k US$ per month thats "BIG ONE"<br>
<br>
<br>
WHtas ur income in ur stidio?<br>
10-12k for a 2-3 yes experienced "HA thats pain"<br>
<br>
<br>
Comclusion: My point is if u guys gonna work for some international <br>
project of course with keeping in mind good quality like pixar, i <br>
advise u ask good salary. lets work out a salary chart in this case<br>
<br>
wht do u say ??<br>
think about it...<br>
---------------------------------------------------------- ----------<br>
..the reply was...<br>
---------------------------------------------------------- -----------<br>
</tt><tt>
Gr8 going !<br>
I must appriciate your thoughts...<br>
Let me add some NAKED facts to our sucking EDUCATION system...<br>
Tell me how many years you spent learing ARTS ? <br>
Any Insitute / School / University ?<br>
Which degree ? Expertise ? <br>
What do you think about your school ? How good was that ?<br>
Frankly speaking, I'm searing one really good institute that teach me<br>
COMPLETE - In Depth knoweldge about PARTICULAR thing, for which, I'm<br>
contacting them ! I found NOTHING...<br>
I worked with IMAGE MAC ACADEMY for 3+ yrs as Senior Faculty. They advertise<br>
like they are the only MAC PROFESSIONAL. But, let me clear one thing, they<br>
don't teach MAC, they teach only SOFTWARES available on MAC (which are<br>
avaialble for Pc too) I know, what & How much we're ORDERED to teach<br>
students. Also, sometimes, I've to teach the softwares I didn't even know,<br>
in the absence of related teacher. Anyway, this is all about personal<br>
teaching...<br>
What about JJ / Raheja / Rachna arts schools ? <br>
Recently I came across one funny incident. Student of J.J. Shool of arts,<br>
contact me for his final year's project. He needed little Technical help in<br>
case of web related query. He too is not very much happy with his 4 years of<br>
study @ JJ. According to him, they have computer lab of 20 PCs, which is<br>
always CLOSED and no instructor available for this and once in a while they<br>
open this lab for PHOTO Session, conference, seminars, etc and NOT for<br>
students practicle.<br>
Anyway, this is all about our Sucking Education system. <br>
Lets take a look into Professionalism.<br>
Say for example, I'm having 3-4 years of experience. And what you mention<br>
about salary is very much true. We people are working on sh*t only. Here, in<br>
Indian Industry, we are meant to work on QUANTITY BASIS and not for Quality.<br>
I know, it really hurts. But, try to find of fact about blockbuster movies<br>
like SHREK, Finding Nemo, Incredibles, etc etc etc.... They says, it took<br>
them 1-2 years to finalise the storyboard and then, within 6 months they<br>
came up with such mindblowing work. What about such process in India ? Early<br>
in the morning, your immediate boss comes to you and order you to complete<br>
this work by tonight. Fail to do so, you work for the whole night just to<br>
meet THEIR dead line. DO you really think, this way you can IMPROVE yourself<br>
? Will you ever learn about QUALITY in such a case ? Meantime, you are<br>
creating your demo reel of such nasty work only, which didn't meet<br>
international quality. So, don't ever compare your salary with theirs.<br>
I'm sorry for such BAD words, but, my 10+ yrs of experience taught me this<br>
only. Even after 10 yrs I'm not able to find an Interview call from abroad,<br>
neither they consider me as prospective employee. <br>
For this reason, I'm planning to join VFS - 1 year course. I know, at this<br>
stage of life, after investing 10 yrs into work, this step seems silly, but,<br>
I'm ready for this. I want to improve myself. Belive me friends, Have you<br>
ever tried to look at their STUDENT's work ??? Their work is far far far<br>
better than our professional one's !!! I'm NOT talking about some really<br>
genius guys, but, I know some people, who are good at software skills but,<br>
lack artistic sense. I FALL IN THE SAME CATEGORY. <br>
Last Saturday, I visited VFS office in Mumbai - Bandra. The meeting was<br>
little dis-appointing with the fact that, they don't provide 100% job<br>
placement. But, some of my friends / online help / guidence from Past VFS<br>
people, encourage me to join VFS and try it once. The reason behind this is,<br>
their teaching standards. According to admission advisor & VFS passouts,<br>
you've to give 14-16 hrs a day for complete year, which will give you bright<br>
future.<br>
Anyway, I'm not going to convience you to join VFS, as I'm not guy from VFS,<br>
this is just my thoughts, you better come up with your ideas / visions. Do<br>
spend some time with yourself, ask yourself, where you want to be after 5<br>
yrs, whats ur aim ? Want to work for whole life ? Want to start your own<br>
studio ? Want to work as freelancer ? Want to give something really frutiy<br>
future for upcoming students ?? Just decide and act accordingly.<br>
Sorry , for being such a logn.... But, I'm facing frustration from past<br>
few months just because of all this fact. I know, I may be out of topic<br>
somewhere, but, all I said is what I felt.<br>
:)<br>
With Best Regards<br>
---------------------------------------------------------- -------------<br>
<br>
i just wanted 2 put up the discussion here....<br>
<br>
(again.. the moderators take care coz..i donno if i could put up a piece from another forum here...)<br>
<br>
how much of it is true..????<img src="http://www.cgtantra.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif" border="0"></tt>
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